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STOPPING THE TROJAN HORSE BEFORE IT GETS TO THE GATES

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Usually, in a time of war, the troops on the ground can't really pinpoint when the tide begins to turn in their favor.  They're still getting shot at and blown up.  They're still far from home and it seems as if they're never going to get to see their loved ones again.  Sometimes idiots tell them to do things they feel uncomfortable doing but they don't have a lot of choice in the matter; as long as it's not illegal or stupifyingly death-defying, they gotta do it.

But there is a difference, and they can feel it.  Usually it has to do with a smarter strategy coming down from command structure.  Whereas before, they were basically running around in a sort of clusterf**k, short on supplies and common sense, now they have clearly defined goals, good leaders in place to help them achieve those goals, and the weapons necessary to keep them alive.  Maybe before, morons who didn't know what they were talking about barked blind orders at them from ivory towers, and now, their hard-earned combat experience is respected and listened to, and consequently, they're not losing as many good men and women in bad situations.

And there are fewer bad situations, all around.  Civilians who once might have feared them, for instance, now come out into the marketplace again.  Children play in their presence.  Life flows around them.  And soon, they realize that their work is done and they can go home.

Peace returns, not just to that country, but to their own.

Although the political battlefield is not life or death and lacks the intensity of war, the consequences can be every bit as serious, because, as we learned in 2000, elections do have consequences.  Presidents may not have the constitutional power to declare war in this country, but they can certainly find ways to engineer them if they please, to the devastation not only of the countries they invade but of our own.  War profiteering and private capitalist piracy can bankrupt nations and throw its citizenry into destitution if there are no checks and balances in place, no watchdogs or accountability or consequences for that wrongdoing.

The advent of modern technological advances have dramatically changed campaigning--instantizing and prolonging it.  During the early years of President Clinton's presidency FOX news didn't even exist, and Internet use was far, far less than it is today.  Social networking sites like FaceBook and MySpace didn't even exist.  Google didn't exist.  Political websites like Talking Points Memo and Red State didn't exist.   YouTube didn't exist.  God knows Twitter hadn't even been imagined at that point.

Many of these things didn't even exist during George W. Bush's first term.  Some of them, in fact, were created in reaction TO him.

As we all know, President Obama was the first to take full advantage of the new media in his presidential campaign, and I think what happened during his first year was that, first of all, he got completely blindsided by the absolute depth and depravity of the problems left to him by Bush.  The financial problems, alone, which soared into crises mode just before the election, were so much worse than anyone had imagined in part because they'd been so skillfully hidden for so long, and no one on Obama's team had really counted on having to dedicate so much time and energy right out of the starting gate dealing with, basically, the potential bankruptcy of the United States of America.

All the problems had been neglected so horrifically.  As many of you know, I come from a military family and so I have spent the past decade, really, reading everything I can get my hands on about both wars that Bush and Co. plunged this nation into, and most people have no CLUE as to how badly neglected Afghanistan really was.

Our guys over there...many of them were plunked out on the edge of some godforsaken mountain someplace and abandoned.  They didn't have equipment to build basic shelter.  They didn't have enough WATER.  They didn't have HELICOPTERS.  They didn't have enough AMMO.  And they were left there like that for MONTHS.

This had been going on for years, because Bush pulled everything out and shipped it off to Iraq.

Now, it's not my plan to get off into a debate about either of the two wars here, but what I'm trying to say is that the DEPTH of the problems facing Obama were SO MUCH WORSE than anyone could have POSSIBLY IMAGINED that he and his team were just DROWNING in them.

These problems extended, in other words, into every single aspect of our government.  Natural disaster management.  The Justice Department.  The Veteran's Affairs Department.  Education.  Interior.  The You Name It Department.

And President Obama and his team just bowed under and went to work.  And they did take on their signature issue, which was health care reform, because they knew they were going to lose some seats in 2010; they knew congress would be running scared for re-election this year, so they knew they had only one year to really have a fair chance of getting it through.  They also believed that the only way to fix the toweringly rotten economy was to fix health care.  Plus, if they could do that, it would help the Dems GET re-elected.

And in all that staggering amount of WORK...they forgot about MESSAGE.

Which, as we all know, is what the Republicans can twist around best to their advantage.

In fact, they've literally, gotten a 17-page playbook, written by a guy named Frank Luntz, on how to distort, misdirect, misrepresent, and downright lie about important issues of the day, how to twist and tie up the Democratic message in such a way that voters are so confused, in the end, that they'll pretty much believe whatever the Republicans tell them.

Especially if it will fit nicely on a bumper sticker or a Sarah Palin-type soundbite.

Luntz's previous clients, before he went to work for the Republican party, includes such luminaries as Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, and Ameriquest Mortgages.  So far, he's provided Republican talking points on stopping health care reform and financial regulation reform.

Not only did Republicans have a ready-made propaganda machine in place, but they used it readily to lie for them, something that the Democrats have shown repeated reluctance to do.  (Not that I'm recommending it.  I'm just saying.)

Meanwhile, FOX News has provided a whole platform for the Republican message, weighted heavily toward conservative and tea-party madness.  FOX News commentators, for one thing, are so quick to jump on the president's every word that, recently, after his first State of the Union address, the same commentators who called out liberals as "unpatriotic" and "America-haters" for daring to criticize--even mildly--President Bush over the Iraq war, now referred to the Democratic president of the United States as a "jerk," a "fake," and "arrogant."

At other times, their rhetoric has even veered toward the violent, and I'm not just talking about the certifiable Glenn Beck.  I'm talking across the board.

And now, it seems that FOX has just stopped pretending that it's anything but a springboard for Republican politicians, as so many of its commentators are now blatantly using it to fundraise and/or to launch their own campaigns.  The fact that the Federal Election Commission turns its face away from such blatant politicking is bad enough, but when the network hires politicians as commentators and then gives them carte blanche to use its airtime to set up their next campaign with no accountability for any of their claims and no consequences for the network...this gives the First Amendment a whole new, capitalist spin, with an assist, apparently, from Bush's favorite Supreme Court.

So while the president was working himself and his team half to death trying to clean up the toxic spill that was the legacy of the Bush administration, not only was he having to deal with the constant constant constant onslaught of the right-wing noise machine, but he was also getting attacked from the left, as well.

Some socialist, that.

Liberals assailed him for escalating the war in Afghanistan.  They assailed him for not ending the war in Iraq fast enough.  They assailed him for not making health care reform about single-payer, period, or at least, expanding the public option to include the whole country.  They assailed him for "selling out" to financial interests.

I even read one blogpost headline who claimed Obama was actually a "moderate Republican."

Oh, for God's sake.

There were calls to start a third party--wow, those are soooo successful.

No matter what he did, no matter what he said, he was attacked, and the more vicious the attacks from the LEFT, the more emboldened and nasty the attacks from the RIGHT.

So...guess where the people in the MIDDLE went?

Yeah, why stay with the man?

It was at this point that I began to despair, truly despair.  I could see us, as progressives, losing everything we'd worked for because of intransigence not just on the right, but on the left as well, and as for Obama, he was losing the message war.  It seemed to be going on outside the windows where he and his team were working their asses off, trying to unravel the Gordian knots of fucked-up Bushian governance.

Then we lost Ted Kennedy's seat, and I swear to God I took it as hard as I did 2004.  My kids knew it too because they both called home to make sure I was all right.

But my husband, the moderate Republican/Obama supporter who keeps being maddeningly right all the time, said, "This will turn out to be the best thing that could have happened.  It will be a wake-up call to the president and his people.  You'll see."

When you're hunkered down in the thick of battle, it's hard to tell that the tide has changed.  It's just something you sense over time.  It doesn't happen right away.  Things accumulate.

First, I read this piece by Nate Silver over at fivethirtyeight.com, one of the best political sites there is. And this stood out:

And all Democrats need to realize, meanwhile, that sometimes the message isn't going to sink in until the sixth or seventh time that you repeat it. Before Tuesday's State of the Union, for instance, the White House had almost literally never mentioned that the stimulus contained a huge tax cut -- they shouldn't expect the public to believe it any more than Warner Brothers should expect a ton of people to go out and see their new movie if they only begin advertising it 48 hours beforehand.

Rather, the Democrats need to figure out what their November messages are now and begin planting seeds for them now. You want to run on Republican obstructionism? Well then, don't neglect the golden opportunities that the Republicans are providing you with today, such as when they voted unanimously in the Senate against re-imposing pay-go rules or unanimously in the House against a very centrist financial regulation package. How many people know that House Republicans voted 174-0
against a jobs bill? It's probably not even 20 percent or 30 percent -- more like 2 or 3 percent, at best. The DNC, DCCC, DSCC, and sympathetic groups like unions should be blasting out advertisements whenever the Republicans cast a vote like this.


He went on to say that Democrats need to trumpet good news, no matter how modest, so that when elections roll around, they can take advantage of the fact that economic indicators are indeed improving significantly in terms of the recession and that Democrats and their policies can take credit for that.  He said that, often, Democrats are too timid, too fearful that those indicators will not be there, but he says that, like Scarlett O'Hara, we shouldn't worry about that until the time comes.  There's just as much a chance that they will as that they won't, and that the Republicans always assume--and brag on--the best in their own case.

And it seemed to me that it wasn't just me who'd read that piece, because I started hearing it from House and Senate Dems, and on political talk shows and on news programs and reading it in the papers.

This made me happy.

The next thing I noticed was the resurgence of David Plouffe, the wonderkind who helped propel Obama to the White House and then bowed out to write a book about the experience and to, literally, spend more time with his family because he'd seen so little of them during the campaign.

And baby,  he's b-a-a-a-a-a-ack.

And I loved the first thing he said:

"Republicans right now are just sitting back and slinging arrows," Plouffe said. "We need to infiltrate their camp and shine some light over their side of the fence."

How does Plouffe frame the argument to voters? He says that Democrats have spent the past two years trying to fix problems while Republicans are asking voters for the chance to wheel a "Trojan horse" into Washington -- out of which will spill bankers and health insurance executives.


A Trojan Horse.  Oh yeah.  He's back.

Plouffe, it seems will be advising and helping to coordinate campaigns all over the country so that we won't get any more nasty surprises like Massachusets.  He says that, many times, candidates' advisors rely on in-house polling apparatuses that tend to stroke the egos of the candidates rather than show up serious problem areas; hence, nasty surprises.

Not that we'll win 'em all, by any means, and not that he's going to be some Super Overlord or anything, but it should be better than it has been, anyway.  The Obama people know something about winning elections and they, and their local volunteers, can help.

They can help a lot.

But it wasn't just Plouffe that excited me.

It seemed the affable Joe Biden had finally hit his stride, too.  Or, as my Republican husband put it, "I love it.  They let out the attack dog.  I watched Joe Biden go after Dick Cheney this morning and he did a real good job."

Or, as E.J. Dionne put it (link above):

Yet by the end of the interview, I realized he had bumped into the hidden political issue of the 2010 elections. Beneath the predictable back-and-forth between Obama and his Republican adversaries over government spending lies a substantively important difference over how the United States can maintain its global leadership.

For Republicans, American power is rooted largely in military might and showing a tough and resolute face to the world. They would rely on tax cuts as the one and only spur to economic growth.

Obama, Biden and the Democrats, on the other hand, believe that American power depends ultimately on the American economy, and that government has an essential role to play in fostering the next generation of growth.

Notice that when Obama spoke about keeping America in first place, he said not a word about the military. He referred instead to the efforts of our competitors in the public sphere of the economy, and of our past complacency.

"Washington has been telling us to wait for decades, even as the problems have grown worse," Obama said. "Meanwhile, China is not waiting to revamp its economy. Germany is not waiting. India is not waiting. These nations aren't standing still. These nations aren't playing for second place. They're putting more emphasis on math and science. They're rebuilding their infrastructure. They're making serious investments in clean energy because they want those jobs."

Suddenly, Obama's approach is not about old-fashioned Democratic spending. It's about patriotism, competing successfully, investing to maintain American economic leadership. John F. Kennedy provided a slogan for such an effort 50 years ago: "Let's get America moving again."

And that brings me to my last point:

The Man himself.

From the powerhouse State of the Union address, "We don't quit. I don't quit," to the rope-a-dopes session with the House GOP Caucus that left them bruised and bleary-eyed, to the fighting-spirit heartland speeches, his whole manner, his language, is reinvigorated, renewed, and re-energized.

He's taking control.

To House Dems, his message was equally stern: Quit whining.

And to the White House press corps, it's basically, hey, there's no new sheriff in town, here.  I'M the sheriff.

In fact, they made it clear that the entire message has been revamped.

There will be four parts to this new message control.

One, there will be a more disciplined messaging, similar to the campaign days, which will focus more on the president's goals, which right now will be the economy and jobs.

Two, a quicker, more aggressive push-back against Republican attacks, as they have done against Republican accusations that they mishandled the Christmas Day almost -bomber.  They're doing this with more direct responses from Robert Gibbs by e-mail to news outlets, (he also just opened a Twitter account), by using the vice president more aggressively, and so on.

Three, the president will be traveling outside of Washington, D.C., "the bubble" and into the country at least once a week, visiting with Americans and talking to them about their concerns.

And finally, he's going to try and get back to his original message of trying to be a change agent in Washington, from which he admits he strayed during his first year of such hard work.

Basically, the president will be front and center--not congressional Democrats.  And people like what they see.  Polls so far show that the president's popularity remain higher than that for just about anybody else in politics right now.

As my former Marine, Iraq vet son said, "He's the only man in Washington with a set of iron balls."

He hasn't given up on health care reform, either.  In a recent call-out to the volunteers who helped propel him to the White House and who continue to remain engaged and active in the issues that matter to them, the White House has asked those volunteers if they would be willing to back up the candidates running for re-election who will be willing to stand firm for health care reform, and if so, would they be willing to volunteer time, either to make phone calls or write letters to the editor or just talk to neighbors and friends. 

So far they've collected pledges of over four million hours of volunteer time from now to the election.

There are all kinds of ways to stop the Trojan Horse before it gets to the gates.  You stop it with message control.  You stop it with volunteering to back up Democratic candidates running for re-election or running to take over available seats in the House and Senate in 2010.  You stop it by countering viral e-mails with bogus information that cross your desk at home. 

No one man--on one president--is perfect.  He's not going to be EveryMan or EveryWoman for EveryBody.  But the one we have now is the best hope we've got to keep from opening up those gates and letting in that Trojan Horse.

Who might come spilling out of that horse?  President Palin?  A House and/or Senate so larded with Tea-Baggers and right-wingers that the gears of government grind completely to a halt and our own president is left completely unable to function, not to mention get re-elected--thus fulfilling John Boehner's and Mitch McConnell's dearest wet dreams?

What would be next?  Impeachment over some bogus FOX-news trumped-up charges?

Is it really fair that every time a Democrat is elected to the White House, the Republicans are allowed to take that president completely down?

Are we going to stand for it again?

I don't think so.

And neither does Barack Obama.
 






 

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    • 2/15/2010 9:08 PM Morgan wrote:
      Knowing full well that the Republican attack dogs would be unleashed as soon as Obama's swearing-in ceremony ended, I chose to take a break from the news so as to miss all that crap. Obama's State of the Union speech was inspiring ... and his Q&A at the GOP gathering showed me he can remain cool under attack, earning the respect, albeit momentarily, of some key GOP leaders. As for the moderates who are like greased weathervanes in a tornado, they will swing around again if provided a steady breeze of cool optimism instead of angry gusts of hotwinded rhetoric. Emotional outbursts of idiology work to provoke action in battle and political campaigns; but the country is hungry for real leadership to bring about meaningful change.

      Onward!
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      1. 2/15/2010 11:28 PM Deanie Mills wrote:
        I think you hit the nail on the head with a very fine metaphor about the weathervane, Morgan, and I do believe you are right about their swinging back around if they are shown real leadership, and the country does seem to respond to his particular calm, quiet humor in the midst of all the angry outbursts and hotheaded rhetoric.  I know my son does.  He fought in the Battle of Fallujah with the Marines in November of '04, and he told me once that he was really impressed by what he saw as Obama's "calm leadership."

        I figure he ought to know it when he sees it.

        My friend Nigel, who is from Britain, commented on another blogpost that he found it interesting that here in America we seemed hellbent to come down on our president so quickly after his having taken office, without really giving the man time to be judged for his time in office.  I told him he should have seen all the headlines after only 100 DAYS, even though it had taken George W. Bush the better part of a decade to pretty much unravel everything that Obama is now trying to repair.

        So l think when he's had a bit more time, he'll prove them all wrong.

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    • 2/15/2010 10:04 PM Aunt Sam wrote:
      This piece was just the way I like my first cup of coffee of the day - filled to the brim with a rich, strong brew and a 'light' touch to balance the flavor. After savoring, I'm energized to take on keep on, keepin' on!

      Ah, my only regret is that I can't have one of your posts everyday too.

      I'll be back for more on this soon.

      So appreciate your linking from TPM (although I get email 'alert').
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      1. 2/15/2010 11:19 PM Deanie Mills wrote:
        I believe that's just about the nicest thing anybody's ever said about ANY of my posts!  I oughta print that up and put it on my computer to keep myself from QUITTING, which I threaten to do nearly daily!!! <g>

        Thank you so much for the kind words.  I figure as long as we've got battles yet to fight, I'll keep on fightin'.

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    • 2/15/2010 11:22 PM stillidealistic wrote:
      Thanks for spending so much time on this subject, Deanie. You have a way of presenting it and re-presenting it w/o making it sound like nagging.

      Still wish we were having the discussion "over there" but I understand your desire to keep the rats out.
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      1. 2/15/2010 11:37 PM Deanie Mills wrote:
        Well you know, all it took was one, didn't it?  And right up until the bitter end, that particular one insisted that he was in no way responsible for twisting the tone of the discussion, and continued to blame everyone else on the entire comment thread, which had run on for 154 comments on my last substantive post, 80% of which was taken up with arguments back and forth with him.

        And if it had only happened that one time, hell, I'm a big girl, right?  But it had happened on two or three of my posts, which told me that he was lurking around waiting for them, and diving in, sometimes on the second or third comment, making nasty claims that immediately set the tone.  I couldn't do anything about it but ignore it, but that didn't seem to make much difference.

        I missed our old discussions and debates and the fun back-and-forths, and the good humor.  I missed the arguments, even, and the debates, because they were so intelligent and well-stated.  I loved the stimulation, and they always made me think, even if they got a wee bit more personal than I'd've liked.  And I never had any problem with it.

        But that was over the line and over the top, and this was the only solution I could come up with, because I figured there were a lot of lurkers out there who really found that whole exchange so unpleasant that they were not leaving comments at all and were being driven away.  I didn't think that was fair to them.

        As far as I'm concerned, everybody from TPM is welcome over here but that one guy.  He knows who he is.  I doubt he'll even try.  If he does, I'll delete him as soon as he shows up.  This is my turf.  My rules.

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    • 2/16/2010 5:01 AM Nigel wrote:
      >>>sometimes the message isn't going to sink in until the sixth or seventh time that you repeat it.<<
      >>>Plouffe said. "We need to infiltrate their camp and shine some light over their side of the fence." <<<

      The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.
      Oliver Wendell Holmes

      >>> believe that American power depends ultimately on the American economy<<<

      Both China and India have a population of over a billion. The ones there that can get work are paid a lot less than those of us in "the west." IMHO, the west will be left behind in the economic power stakes because we will not be prepared to pay for the education that will keep us at the forefront of technology, unless there is the political will to make it a top priority.
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      1. 2/16/2010 9:54 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        Thank you for that terrific quote from Holmes, my friend.

        And you do have a good point about the difference in education investment.  President Obama has worked to bring our education quality up to standard because he has emphasized that if we can't compete--if our next generation can't compete with the graduates out of China and India--then we will lag behind.  He has had some good feedback even from conservatives on the measures he's put into place, but there is this bizarre personality split taking place in the electorate today.

        They scream that they want lower taxes, and then they scream that they don't want to lose Social Security or Medicare.  They know we need health care reform, but when Obama makes the smallest attempt to reform it--by other Western nations' standards, anyway--they scream "government takeover" and yell that their taxes are too high and they want taxes cut.

        THEN they scream about the high deficits.

        Well  my friends.  You simply can't fight two wars, lower the deficits, and have any kind of health care reform, not to mention maintaining social security and Medicare, without taxes.  And right now, the USA has some of the lowest tax rates in the world, regardless of the howling you hear on the right.

        All Obama wants to do is roll back the taxes on the richest 2% of the population, the Bush tax cuts that were put into place with no plan to pay for them, and put into place the tax rates of the Clinton years, which worked fine, and would help to lower deficits.  He's going to have to do it.  Bush hid the true costs of these wars for eight years.  He did not include them in the budgets every year, but called them up as "emergency" expenses, which was disingenuous at the very least.  BAsically, he put both wars on a credit card.

        People just don't think that this stuff has to be paid for.  You can't have it all.  But Obama has reinstated the "Pay Go" rule--voted AGAINST by every Republican, by the way--which states that congress can't pass legislation without also including a way to pay for it (under Bush, they abolished that rule and passed wars, tax cuts, and prescription drug benefits with no way to pay for them except running up deficits)--and now he's going to have to make the rich pay a bit for the OBSCENE enriching they enjoyed with their buddy Dubya was in office.

        And hopefully education will be one of the beneficiaries.

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    • 2/16/2010 9:16 AM Susan wrote:
      Deanie!
      Thank you for another one of your soothing and intelligent posts. It appeared the message was lost last summer to those who could yell the loudest. MSM gave them credibility they did not deserve and now they actually believe in their methods and message without thought and without letting another voice be heard. It is hard to fight the message they are getting out there that is the antithesis of what is needed. The harder he tries, the more they have to complain about, they are louder, ruder and do not need logic or truth for their message and many of them are racists who feel justified at long last.
      Thank you for showing us how they can be stopped.
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      1. 2/16/2010 10:24 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        You are quite right, Susan, in that the MSM did indeed give credibility to the loudest voices.

        I have complained repeatedly about the platform being given to Dick Cheney and John McCain.

        I mean, in the year 2000 and 2001 (before 9/11), did we ever see Al Gore on Sunday morning talk shows???  Nobody gave the man a thought until he won the Nobel Prize.  He was the LOSER.  Nobody gave a damn WHAT he thought.

        In 2004, did we ever see John Kerry on Sunday morning talk shows???  Nobody gave the man a thought.  He was the LOSER.  Nobody gave a damn WHAT he thought.

        The DIFFERENCE is that Cheney comes up with these outrageous soundbites, and McCain says these nasty things, and this is what the MSM feeds on nowadays.  It's the only reason Sarah Palin has a career.  That and the fact that the old white men who run party establishments and old white men media moguls all have hard ons for her.  It's the only reason.

        But it pisses me off that soundbites have now replaced substance, and now, every time we have someone with serious intelligence who takes these matters with the gravitas necessary to give them the attention they desperately need, the soundbite-addicted junkies who are the starmakers go scrambling for anyone who can give them something outrageous to put up over and over again, no matter how mindless or flat out wrong.  They don't seem to care if they run the nation into the ground in the process.

        So Obama's multi-pronged attack is just what is needed right now, because underneath all this folderol and hoopla?  He takes the American people seriously.  He doesn't talk to them like they are children.  And I think they appreciate it.  I think they're listening.

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    • 2/16/2010 9:54 AM Kate wrote:
      Deanie: As always, you've done my thinking for me. One thing resonated with me--your highlighting Obama's focus on economic competitiveness as more critical than military hamfistedness. You know that my son is in Kabul with the U.S. Army laying cable and trying to establish a modern communications network for the Afghans. It is a deliberate strategy to shore up their economic potential, and our soldiers are losing their limbs and their lives doing it. Knowing he is there in that role helps me get through the day and I think if we could get more messages like that out, people might understand why we need to be in Afghanistan, at least for a while longer. All we hear at TPM is a blue-faced paparazzi screamer talking about how we are murdering civilians, which isn't helpful or constructive. Anyway, thanks for this place to chat.
      Kate
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      1. 2/16/2010 10:13 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        Girl you know you are welcome here anytime.

        Yes I do know about your brave boy, and I know what you mean--over on FaceBook I just got through posting a blistering response to yet another liberal who seems to confuse a soldier firing a weapon in the heat of battle with the concept of MURDER.  It is not the same thing. And when you consider how many millions of rotations we've now had in Iraq and Afghanistan, the fact that a handful of notorious murder cases involving GIs keep getting harped on over and over again is just as unfair to the soldiers as it is to, say, focus only on gang violence and extrapolate that, therefore, it just goes to show that all blacks must then be thugs.

        There are so many millions of unsung acts of kindness committed by our troops overseas every day.  Children that are treated by medics--sometimes here in the States, and no, they are not all wounded by American bombs.  People seem to forget that suicide bombers in their own countries have done far more damage in the past five years than we have.  After my son got out of the Marines, his old unit returned to Fallujah, and do you know what they spent their whole next deployment doing?  Building schools.

        Anyway, yes, to return to your original point <g>, I do think it's a very key distinction that the Obama administration is not highlighting military dominance as American exceptionalism, but economic vitality.

        People need to understand how this war in Afghanistan is being fought right now.  In Marja, the troops are under strict orders to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.  When a recent air strike accidentally hit the wrong home, the strikes were called off until a complete investigation could be completed.  When a Marine shot a dog he thought was menacing, the platoon leader found the dog's owner and apologized.  They captured a fleeing Taliban "shadow governor," and have spent time working with local village elders.  Consequently, villagers are showing troops bomb factories and pointing out Taliban.

        When they root out the worst of the bad guys, with Afghan troops front and center, they will bring in a police force comprised of tribes from that region, and set up a government of regional people who speak that language and are in that tribe.  They will set up security with the Afghan army and prevent the Taliban's return.  The whole idea is to set up security so the townspeople can feel secure again.

        We don't know if it is going to work, but it's the best idea anyone has had yet.  At least they are trying.

        They're doing the best they can to secure that country.  They are NOT murderers.

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        1. 2/16/2010 11:57 AM stillidealistic wrote:
          Last night on the blue veg's post over at TPM, oleeb made a comment that because babies are being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan so just as the Vietnam Vets were literally "baby killers" so are our soldiers fighting today.

          I was horrified that he was using that language and suggested that just because something is literally true doesn't mean it is appropriate to say...and used the example that gay men are literally "butt effers" but that I found that term offensive, as I do the term "baby killer."

          We liberals are an odd bunch. For all of our lofty speech, we (and I'm using the royal we here)can be as hypocritical as the right... We're supposed to be the compassionate ones...how is it even remotely compassionate to blame our soldiers for doing what our elected leaders tell them to do, and use such vile terminology to do it?
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          1. 2/16/2010 12:36 PM Deanie Mills wrote:
            There are two things I want to say about this.

            First of all, what enrages me is that I hear constantly about the less than one percent of U.S. soldiers who have murdered in-country or otherwise committed crimes for which, I might add, they have been tried, convicted, and imprisoned--but I hear NOTHING from the left about the THOUSANDS of innocents who have been killed by their own suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan, or by Shiite on Sunni or Sunni on Shiite violence.  THEY BLOW UP MOSQUES, at prayer-time, no less, which is something American troops would never do, but somehow this does not seem to provoke any SORT of  "baby-killing" rage from self-righteous peace activists from either the American left or from the Muslim community itself.  They might pour into the streets, as Tom Friedman pointed out, to protest cartoons that insult Mohammed, but say nothing about suicide bombers blowing up schools, mosques, soccer games, playgrounds, marketplaces, libraries, and hospitals. 

            Secondly, when President Obama came into office and they put Gen. McChrystal in charge, an entire change in strategy has been put into place, to the effect that civilian casualties are avoided so astringently that American troops are in FAR MORE DANGER than before.  Rarely can they call in air strikes when getting fired upon from buildings that the bad guys use because they deliberately choose homes with families in them.  If innocents are accidentally hit, full investigations are called for and the strikes are halted until the reason is found out.  They cannnot fire when fired upon unless they can ascertain with certainty WHO is firing upon them and that they are legitimate enemy, period.

            During the ongoing operation in Marja, for instance, one Marine shot a dog he thought was menacing, and the platoon leader sought out the owner of the dog and apologized.  They are working closely with Afghan troops and are in close consultation with tribal elders in Marja; they are doing so much to avoid hurting innocents that, in fact, the troops report seeing bad guys throw down rifled after shooting at troops and blending in with the civilians, knowing they will be safe.

            This "baby-killer" nomenclature is willfully ignorant and I won't tolerate it.  And you are absolutely right.  WE are supposed to be the tolerant ones, but I find so many of the so-called "peace activists" to be every bit as closed-off and hard as the Tea-Baggers.

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    • 2/16/2010 1:08 PM Regina wrote:
      Deanie, this is a wonderfully encouraging post which has spawned some of the most inspiring comments that I have read since the presidential elections. Thanks to you and all who have commented. You have given me a big boost of confidence in the future of our beloved country.
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      1. 2/16/2010 1:29 PM Deanie Mills wrote:
        I can't tell you what that means to me, my friend.  Those of us who support the president, it seems, are inundated daily with so much negative that it can seem sometimes like the "hope" had turned into "hopeless," but I don't see that at all.  As you  know, I have no life, <g>, and so read a great deal, and I calls 'em as I sees 'em.  And I see a great deal to hope for, out there.

        He just needs to have us at his back, is all.  And I think if there's one good thing to come out of all the bad news leaking daily from D.C. in recent weeks, it's that it has had a unifying effect on Dems, made them realize that unless they want to see a Tea-Bagger Congress and White House, they'd best stop sniping and snarking and get to fighting for who and what they believe in.

        We're a motley crew, for sure, from far left liberals to Blue Dog conservatives, but by and large we hold the same basic values, and we don't want to lose them to the right-wing nutters who have hijacked the Republican party.  THAT unifies us.

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    • 2/17/2010 4:10 AM Nigel wrote:
      >>>All Obama wants to do is roll back the taxes on the richest 2% of the population<<<

      IMHO everybody should be taxed at the same rate. Otherwise, what is the point of producing more? At 20% which is our basic rate of tax we can not afford to have all the services we want, so our government decided to have a higher rate of 40% for those earning over £34700 and 50% for those earning over £150,000 per year. We are now seeing the highest earners fleeing the country and paying nothing. We also pay 17.5% tax (Value Added Tax or VAT) on most goods that we buy, not to mention 11% of our wage for National Insurance contributions towards health care.

      If I were in charge, I would put up VAT and the basic rate of tax for everybody but have just the one tax rate. We also pay a licence fee to watch TV and have a tax on our vehicles that is paid annually.Fuel for vehicles is taxed at something like 70% and costs $7.88 per gallon for diesel where I buy. Petrol (gas to you) is a couple of cents cheaper. My car just cost me £150 for the next year's tax. If I'm wealthy enough when I die, there's a death tax too. I just thought you'd like to know how the other half live.
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      1. 2/17/2010 7:58 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        Well, we've talked about having a flat tax as well, but it never goes anywhere.  As far as rich folks moving, even if they are taxed at a higher rate in the States, they are STILL taxed at such a ridiculously low rate that they would be fools to move.  And we pay taxes on our vehicles too, depending upon the size of the vehicle.  Pickup trucks and SUVs cost more and so on.

        As far as "how the other half lives," what I see is that you have free health care, which my daughter was able to take advantage of while she was studying in your country.  She was also given a stipend to study while she was at university there, from the college.  Education and health care are subsidized by those tax dollars, which is the case in civilized Western countries.

        Over here, you are left in the streets, literally, if you cannot pay your medical bills.  You can go bankrupt, lose your home, and be thrown out on the streets. 

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    • 2/18/2010 6:42 AM Nigel wrote:
      >>>what I see is that you have free health care<<<
      11% of my wage isn't free! AND I have to pay towards my drugs until May when I'm 60.

      We have people living on the streets too but it's usually their choice or they fall into a category that does not get benefits.

      Our tax money causes our socialist government to waste an awful lot of resources on "make work" for quangos, advisors, consultants and etc. We in the UK have a lot going for us but there's a lot of crap too. You just have different crap to us and pay less for it. If I thought I could persuade SWMBO, I'd like to move to somewhere like Idaho.
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      1. 2/18/2010 9:42 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        Well, we pay 22% for much less, my friend, AND on top of that, we have to pay for our own health insurance, and if we are not employed, health insurance can run as much as $1000 American a month for an individual plan.

        I know you are conservative my friend, but I do hope you're joking about Idaho.  It is a hotbed of militia groups, survivalist wackos, hate groups, racist enclaves, and Ku Klux Klan hold-outs, not to mention more gun nuts than you can imagine.  Some serious crazies up there.

        Beautiful country though.  And yes, some regular conservative folk, ranchers, and rich celebrities who can afford to live in some of the more scenic places.  But I'm not kidding about the survivalists.

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      2. 2/18/2010 9:52 AM Deanie Mills wrote:
        Actually, I said we pay 22% in taxes; I don't know what I was thinking.  It's 28%.  And then a sizeable chunk on top of that for health insurance out of each paycheck.

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    • 2/19/2010 5:36 AM Nigel wrote:
      >>>Some serious crazies up there.<<<
      Won't be any change if I go there then. Again, exits stage left laughing like Muttley.
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